How yall have stayed alive THIS long and gotten away with any of this murderous activity is beyond me.
I kinda think yall woulda shot yourselves in the foot on the way to set the gun down so you could snatch the candy from a baby.
Biker, what's that; your grammy (LOL more like your younger sister) over there on Lamar???? So .. wow, what's that? TYING YOU DIRECTLY TO A MURDER WITNESS WHO WON'T STEP FORWARD.
Dazzle me with your driving. Baffle me with your .... E V E R Y L I T T L E T H I N G.
Yall actually believe that shit I talk about when I know you're a click behind me online and on my phone.
As evidenced by # 8 BOTH firetrucks at westshore and boyscout because I mentioned on the phone that I was going to both malls. FIrst one and then the other.
Wow. Man. You guys should get some kind of stalking award.
Maybe the .... sTALKSCAR???
IDIOTS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Sunday, November 30, 2008
PINELLAS FIREMAN STALKER
Okay, you can find him over in South Tampa: NAME: MICHAEL B. KELLER. Mention the air around my home. Mention that my car has been better but the air around my home is very bad. Like I said, I'm not playing semantics. If this is what you want I got plenty PLENTY of it. Enjoy !!!!!
UPDATE: Sure and he had his chances. He gets no excuse or break ... got his thugs and hos watching me twenty four hours a day seven days a week. Here's my five minutes for your ass. Watch on. Enjoy the view.
Anyway ... it STILL feels nasty in my yard almost thirty minutes later. So ... here. You need to run over and talk to your biker friend, mr. pinellas fireman stalker.
Original post:
Hey Fireman !! Happy Thanksgiving. Sorry about this. I mean you ARE the one who stalked me so openly BUT it's really not fair that you get the hit. SO, if you wanted to thank those responsible for this action one lives at 3309 Beaumont. Accosted a child not long back, he did.
Fake and the FAT MAN. Anyway .... the other one . michael keller owns some property down in south tampa (also) right by marion lambert, the confederate flag waver. I'm sure you're acquainted
And, Hernando deathbox driver?? What?? What did you want? Did one of you get caught murdering someone or something????
So, fireman you have those two scumbags adn all the rest of them get up off myself, family and personal property and also ask them why they don't mind publicizing YOU and YOUR TAG?????
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UPDATE: Sure and he had his chances. He gets no excuse or break ... got his thugs and hos watching me twenty four hours a day seven days a week. Here's my five minutes for your ass. Watch on. Enjoy the view.
Anyway ... it STILL feels nasty in my yard almost thirty minutes later. So ... here. You need to run over and talk to your biker friend, mr. pinellas fireman stalker.
Original post:
Hey Fireman !! Happy Thanksgiving. Sorry about this. I mean you ARE the one who stalked me so openly BUT it's really not fair that you get the hit. SO, if you wanted to thank those responsible for this action one lives at 3309 Beaumont. Accosted a child not long back, he did.
Fake and the FAT MAN. Anyway .... the other one . michael keller owns some property down in south tampa (also) right by marion lambert, the confederate flag waver. I'm sure you're acquainted
And, Hernando deathbox driver?? What?? What did you want? Did one of you get caught murdering someone or something????
So, fireman you have those two scumbags adn all the rest of them get up off myself, family and personal property and also ask them why they don't mind publicizing YOU and YOUR TAG?????
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Friday, November 28, 2008
You're PAST being a problem
shorty, back off the threats. First of all it makes NO FUCKING SENSE lmao that I did MY OWN THANG all that time and lived right next door to it for even longer, bought it, sold it, traded it and made it ........................ so that whole rat program? Screw you. You're an embarrassment.
Now.
You all are WAY PAST being a problem: (not for me, I've been followed around since I was under four) BUT, others are starting to notice it. Could be all the publicity helps a great deal. I don't give a fuck. I asked you nicely, nicely, nicely NICELY to STOP way more than a hundred times. I explained to you that it was stupid and ineffective. This is like when I was hesitant to fire people and didn't really want to but my mentor explained it thus: THEY FIRE THEMSELVES.
Exactly.
You're FUCKING YOURSELF. If you did nothing there'd be nothing for me to talk about I could go on with my political blogging and you could move on to another victim. NO you ARE NOT. You can do things like men from here on out.
Some big thug approaches children and folks MY size .. that's WIMPY AS SHIT. I coulda taken him anyway. I notice he ran off pretty fast. What the hell? Where do you GET these people?
So ... you've made choices ... not good ones ... but anyway ....
a. your lives REVOLVE around me.
case. In general, obsession becomes a problem when it consumes the lives of the stalkers as they begin to organize their lives around their obsession and their stalking behaviors. Even nondelusional stalkers, who may maintain the appearance of normal lives, are obsessed with their victims (Snow, 1998).
Although there are some features common to all types of stalking, there are different types of stalking.
b . you're delusional ergo DANGEROUS ... to yourselves more than me. Your stupid ass world is crumbling around you and you still have your eyes ON ME. What THE FUCK???? THINK FREAKS THINK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The second category of stalking is erotomania, also known as De Clerambault Syndrome (El-Assra, 1989). In this type the stalkers are delusional. They mistakenly believe that they are involved in ongoing relationships with their victims. However, no matter the type of stalking, three features are common to all types. First, stalkers are obsessed with their victims. Second, they engage in the same stalking behaviors. Third, they sincerely believe that they have the right to engage in these behaviors (Bureau of Justice Assistance, 1996; Hall, 1998; Mullen & Pathe, 1994; Orion). This lack of insight makes stalking extremely resistant to treatment and often leads to an escalation of stalking behaviors (Orion). And although there are some common elements, there are important differences between the three types of stalking.
c.
Although you and the others actually fit into BOTH categories which puts me in twice as much danger not to mention the fucking amateurs from who knows what green field.
Simple obsessional stalking is the most common type and the most likely to lead to violence. In this type, real relationships exist between stalkers and victims, although not necessarily sexually intimate ones. Other relationships include casual dating and platonic relationships such as friends, professional colleagues, and neighbors (Zona et al., 1998).
d. well you DO have hobbies (starting fires, burning down houses, pest control, motorcycles, weird things you do with your own children .... I mean who puts their child at play five feet from a busy street MORON? gardening if I'm on tap ... following me, burning down my family's homes ... you DO have hobbies.. oh and hanging around with fellow losers..
stalkers tend to be white males between the ages of 26 and 50 with at least some high school education (Meloy, 1998). Stalkers tended to exhibit a history of disturbed social relationships marked by loneliness. They were usually socially isolated with few friends and hobbies (Flowers, 1994).
e. I have two thoughts on this: a. I'm not really interested in the court system b. I AM interested in justice. We'll see which one wins me over.
98). Although state statutes vary in wording and descriptions of behaviors that identify stalking, all antistalking laws contain three basic elements that must be present to charge someone with criminal stalking. First, there must be an element of malicious and intentional harassment. Second, there must be a pattern of harassment. Third, there must be a credible threat, which is defined as a threat that would cause a reasonable person to feel fear. In addition, the threat must be used intentionally to frighten victims (Bureau of Justice Assistance, 1996; Saunders). Threats can be direct or indirect. Direct threats include statements that the victims, or others, will be harmed if they do not give the stalkers what they want.
Indirect threats can run a gamut from victims feeling anxious to victims receiving threatening items such as dead flowers, dead animals, and soiled underwear. With the wording of most antistalking laws, the credible threat requirement can be met by documenting that the stalking has occurred and the victims stating that they are frightened (Bureau of Justice Assistance, 1996; Orion, 1997; Saunders, 1998).
e. Hope the Internet and VIDEO TAPING MY DEMAND TO BEAUMONT THAT HE STOP STALKING ME WILL SUFFICE. That's at least FIVE of you headed off for felony court with very little effort. NOT TO COUNT THE ENTIRE TAMPA FIRE RESCUE and HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY FIRE RESCUE. I'm going to go that one better, anway. Hang on. It's coming.
However, the victims must speak to the stalkers at least once to tell them that they must stop the harassment. This is the only way that the victims can prove that the stalkers know their contact was unwelcome. When this does not happen, stalkers can make a credible case that they were unaware that their attentions are unwanted. Victims must also endure the stalking long enough to collect evidence to support their claim. They must establish that a pattern of harassment exists and that the stalking is not an isolated incident. They must also show that it is intentional
yada yada blah blah blah ....
I've GOTCHA..
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Now.
You all are WAY PAST being a problem: (not for me, I've been followed around since I was under four) BUT, others are starting to notice it. Could be all the publicity helps a great deal. I don't give a fuck. I asked you nicely, nicely, nicely NICELY to STOP way more than a hundred times. I explained to you that it was stupid and ineffective. This is like when I was hesitant to fire people and didn't really want to but my mentor explained it thus: THEY FIRE THEMSELVES.
Exactly.
You're FUCKING YOURSELF. If you did nothing there'd be nothing for me to talk about I could go on with my political blogging and you could move on to another victim. NO you ARE NOT. You can do things like men from here on out.
Some big thug approaches children and folks MY size .. that's WIMPY AS SHIT. I coulda taken him anyway. I notice he ran off pretty fast. What the hell? Where do you GET these people?
So ... you've made choices ... not good ones ... but anyway ....
a. your lives REVOLVE around me.
case. In general, obsession becomes a problem when it consumes the lives of the stalkers as they begin to organize their lives around their obsession and their stalking behaviors. Even nondelusional stalkers, who may maintain the appearance of normal lives, are obsessed with their victims (Snow, 1998).
Although there are some features common to all types of stalking, there are different types of stalking.
b . you're delusional ergo DANGEROUS ... to yourselves more than me. Your stupid ass world is crumbling around you and you still have your eyes ON ME. What THE FUCK???? THINK FREAKS THINK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The second category of stalking is erotomania, also known as De Clerambault Syndrome (El-Assra, 1989). In this type the stalkers are delusional. They mistakenly believe that they are involved in ongoing relationships with their victims. However, no matter the type of stalking, three features are common to all types. First, stalkers are obsessed with their victims. Second, they engage in the same stalking behaviors. Third, they sincerely believe that they have the right to engage in these behaviors (Bureau of Justice Assistance, 1996; Hall, 1998; Mullen & Pathe, 1994; Orion). This lack of insight makes stalking extremely resistant to treatment and often leads to an escalation of stalking behaviors (Orion). And although there are some common elements, there are important differences between the three types of stalking.
c.
Although you and the others actually fit into BOTH categories which puts me in twice as much danger not to mention the fucking amateurs from who knows what green field.
Simple obsessional stalking is the most common type and the most likely to lead to violence. In this type, real relationships exist between stalkers and victims, although not necessarily sexually intimate ones. Other relationships include casual dating and platonic relationships such as friends, professional colleagues, and neighbors (Zona et al., 1998).
d. well you DO have hobbies (starting fires, burning down houses, pest control, motorcycles, weird things you do with your own children .... I mean who puts their child at play five feet from a busy street MORON? gardening if I'm on tap ... following me, burning down my family's homes ... you DO have hobbies.. oh and hanging around with fellow losers..
stalkers tend to be white males between the ages of 26 and 50 with at least some high school education (Meloy, 1998). Stalkers tended to exhibit a history of disturbed social relationships marked by loneliness. They were usually socially isolated with few friends and hobbies (Flowers, 1994).
e. I have two thoughts on this: a. I'm not really interested in the court system b. I AM interested in justice. We'll see which one wins me over.
98). Although state statutes vary in wording and descriptions of behaviors that identify stalking, all antistalking laws contain three basic elements that must be present to charge someone with criminal stalking. First, there must be an element of malicious and intentional harassment. Second, there must be a pattern of harassment. Third, there must be a credible threat, which is defined as a threat that would cause a reasonable person to feel fear. In addition, the threat must be used intentionally to frighten victims (Bureau of Justice Assistance, 1996; Saunders). Threats can be direct or indirect. Direct threats include statements that the victims, or others, will be harmed if they do not give the stalkers what they want.
Indirect threats can run a gamut from victims feeling anxious to victims receiving threatening items such as dead flowers, dead animals, and soiled underwear. With the wording of most antistalking laws, the credible threat requirement can be met by documenting that the stalking has occurred and the victims stating that they are frightened (Bureau of Justice Assistance, 1996; Orion, 1997; Saunders, 1998).
e. Hope the Internet and VIDEO TAPING MY DEMAND TO BEAUMONT THAT HE STOP STALKING ME WILL SUFFICE. That's at least FIVE of you headed off for felony court with very little effort. NOT TO COUNT THE ENTIRE TAMPA FIRE RESCUE and HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY FIRE RESCUE. I'm going to go that one better, anway. Hang on. It's coming.
However, the victims must speak to the stalkers at least once to tell them that they must stop the harassment. This is the only way that the victims can prove that the stalkers know their contact was unwelcome. When this does not happen, stalkers can make a credible case that they were unaware that their attentions are unwanted. Victims must also endure the stalking long enough to collect evidence to support their claim. They must establish that a pattern of harassment exists and that the stalking is not an isolated incident. They must also show that it is intentional
yada yada blah blah blah ....
I've GOTCHA..
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here's the deal
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DO NOT touch mine or anyone else I know's property again. Do not bother us or impede our progress in any way.
Leave us alone.
Leave my child alone. Let him get into and out of his own relationships without your spooks and freaks and haunts and manipulations. I'm not going to tolerate ANY OF IT ANY LONGER.
You what? Thought I'd be stupid enough to call YOUR FUCKING COPS?? Nah. Got my own ways.
My own cops.
Let it end or I'll find a way to end it.
Especially keep your fucking hos over there in your own world.
Mel .. I am kinda still smellin ya.
Now, I've been nice as hell. NO ONE can deny that.
By now any one of your pussy asses would have run for help.
Sure ....
YOu know it.
I know it.
End it.
Or I will.
And I mean it.
The video is still going here.
Names will be here EVERY DAY. EVERY FIVE MINUTES if I EVER have that experience or any adverse experience again. IF I EVER see you manipulate my child again.
I couldna figure out why you and the lil woman were driving circles all around me. Thought maybe you wanted to talk.
WHAT?
Another one found his balls all in one week?
Knew THAT couldn't be true.......
I toldya and toldya how much you're bugging me. Not so much. Slap up a few words and move on.
BACK THE FUCK UP OFFFFA ME NOW.
DO NOT test me again.
I'm completely out of nice and moving on to ... yknow ... not nice.
Maybe that's how you like em best.
Okay.
Pinellas fireman stalker you get a reprieve until that pussy ass fires up my yard, house car or anyone or anything I know again.
But next time you wont' be up here alone.
Don't forget to thank them.
They're AWESOME.
DO NOT touch mine or anyone else I know's property again. Do not bother us or impede our progress in any way.
Leave us alone.
Leave my child alone. Let him get into and out of his own relationships without your spooks and freaks and haunts and manipulations. I'm not going to tolerate ANY OF IT ANY LONGER.
You what? Thought I'd be stupid enough to call YOUR FUCKING COPS?? Nah. Got my own ways.
My own cops.
Let it end or I'll find a way to end it.
Especially keep your fucking hos over there in your own world.
Mel .. I am kinda still smellin ya.
Now, I've been nice as hell. NO ONE can deny that.
By now any one of your pussy asses would have run for help.
Sure ....
YOu know it.
I know it.
End it.
Or I will.
And I mean it.
The video is still going here.
Names will be here EVERY DAY. EVERY FIVE MINUTES if I EVER have that experience or any adverse experience again. IF I EVER see you manipulate my child again.
I couldna figure out why you and the lil woman were driving circles all around me. Thought maybe you wanted to talk.
WHAT?
Another one found his balls all in one week?
Knew THAT couldn't be true.......
I toldya and toldya how much you're bugging me. Not so much. Slap up a few words and move on.
BACK THE FUCK UP OFFFFA ME NOW.
DO NOT test me again.
I'm completely out of nice and moving on to ... yknow ... not nice.
Maybe that's how you like em best.
Okay.
Pinellas fireman stalker you get a reprieve until that pussy ass fires up my yard, house car or anyone or anything I know again.
But next time you wont' be up here alone.
Don't forget to thank them.
They're AWESOME.
Tuesday, November 25, 2008
3309 Beaumont
Listen I just want to be sure to let you know that you MIGHT have noticed that I had purposely not placed your video here but now I will. You need to thank the following gentleman for this great honor: Michael Keller. He's got a place down there by Confederate Marion Lambert. Initial B.
So when it comes popping up here and I go get the old pictures very clear of you stalking me in the library and assaulting my child and stalking me at my gym and at the grocery. Another incident of stalking A MINOR.
I wonder if there's some child-molestation issues in there? My child IS very freaked out by you.
For all intents and purposes.
We DO know a bunch of pussies when we see them.
Anyway ... you be sure to tell him thank you.
Meantime, due to time constraints .... (LOL) I'll be reposting the Pinellas fireman stalker.
Also. GOOGLE. get up off my blog. I notice you blocking the Allyson Marie Faulk post.
KNOCK IT OFF or that makes you an accessory to murder and other crimes.
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So when it comes popping up here and I go get the old pictures very clear of you stalking me in the library and assaulting my child and stalking me at my gym and at the grocery. Another incident of stalking A MINOR.
I wonder if there's some child-molestation issues in there? My child IS very freaked out by you.
For all intents and purposes.
We DO know a bunch of pussies when we see them.
Anyway ... you be sure to tell him thank you.
Meantime, due to time constraints .... (LOL) I'll be reposting the Pinellas fireman stalker.
Also. GOOGLE. get up off my blog. I notice you blocking the Allyson Marie Faulk post.
KNOCK IT OFF or that makes you an accessory to murder and other crimes.
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Saturday, November 22, 2008
a foreword
THere are those of you who should know .... and you know who you are .... that not only does NOTHING you do have any effect on where you're trying to go but that all that you do towards my family won't work either. My family knows the score. They may pretend otherwise but they know who to trust and who not to. You ARE NOT on the list despite what you may believe. LMAO.
And again ... do all the weaseling you want. You see how far it's gotten you so far, correct?
First the wack jobs then the lies (always the lies) now the famingling. None of it does the first bit of good.
But again, we'll see who laughs last. It's as simple as ONE piece of paper to circumvent anything you may do.
AS FOR GOD'S SAKE YOU SHOULD KNOW.
It's how we got HERE.
So ....................... keep burying yourselves. I'm watching.
And you're sad. THIS is how you are spending the life you were given.
And that's fucked up.
You can change. There is still time.
You should WANT to change.
Irishboy, ya coulda had ME. Been a contender. Love ya.
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And again ... do all the weaseling you want. You see how far it's gotten you so far, correct?
First the wack jobs then the lies (always the lies) now the famingling. None of it does the first bit of good.
But again, we'll see who laughs last. It's as simple as ONE piece of paper to circumvent anything you may do.
AS FOR GOD'S SAKE YOU SHOULD KNOW.
It's how we got HERE.
So ....................... keep burying yourselves. I'm watching.
And you're sad. THIS is how you are spending the life you were given.
And that's fucked up.
You can change. There is still time.
You should WANT to change.
Irishboy, ya coulda had ME. Been a contender. Love ya.
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K 10 9SF Tire folks
Wow you can hear those two morons right on video ... talking about their tires and me with the witness get em charged with endangering lives in a motor vehicle.
Yall are fucking morons. I got a pretty good picture of your loser boyfriend dancing, too. Man what a PAIR OF LOSERS.
And the video of the stalker who lives at 3309 BEAUMONT STREET TAMPA FLORIDA 33609 is VERY VERY clear.
And so fuck you.
Keep threatening me and my family.
You can't make up your mind what to do.
I suggest you find out if you can even pay me bcause as you know my children don't trust you and you CANNOT MURDER your way through this one.
You'll be lucky to ever get anywhere despite all that fake self-confidence because now I have the one thing and I may not be apt to be so sweet.
You had many chances. Your way is NOT FUCKING WORKING. Yes it might be the first time. There's always that first time.
So, unless you're sending your own kids to prison so they can deal from there I'm thinking that you're not doing so hot anyway.
I love the flag dude. Fucking funny.
Thanks for the laughs.
I love the big star on the helicopter too.
You won't be stealing from me anymore.
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Yall are fucking morons. I got a pretty good picture of your loser boyfriend dancing, too. Man what a PAIR OF LOSERS.
And the video of the stalker who lives at 3309 BEAUMONT STREET TAMPA FLORIDA 33609 is VERY VERY clear.
And so fuck you.
Keep threatening me and my family.
You can't make up your mind what to do.
I suggest you find out if you can even pay me bcause as you know my children don't trust you and you CANNOT MURDER your way through this one.
You'll be lucky to ever get anywhere despite all that fake self-confidence because now I have the one thing and I may not be apt to be so sweet.
You had many chances. Your way is NOT FUCKING WORKING. Yes it might be the first time. There's always that first time.
So, unless you're sending your own kids to prison so they can deal from there I'm thinking that you're not doing so hot anyway.
I love the flag dude. Fucking funny.
Thanks for the laughs.
I love the big star on the helicopter too.
You won't be stealing from me anymore.
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givin ya what ya want
Wow, either yall REALLY don't want that boy's picture online (simple he could have stayed at home) or you don't like that we're going to investigate how buddy gee got to be sheriff through gee buddy or ummmmm moving up the qualifying date .... AND you don't like how we're showing how you're murdering people for their property.
OKay... well, none of those are going to stop and we have something new for you besides posing your boy's video. We see you keep it up with our family members and while we wouldn't even consider stooping to your lowlife level we think we have something that will sink below your collar bone. Just bear with. I mean the star-electricity didn't throw us THAT FAR off. About ten minutes. BUT, there are other things that we want to do first. LMAO. Wait for it.
You think you and your star have it all locked down. Not so fast.
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OKay... well, none of those are going to stop and we have something new for you besides posing your boy's video. We see you keep it up with our family members and while we wouldn't even consider stooping to your lowlife level we think we have something that will sink below your collar bone. Just bear with. I mean the star-electricity didn't throw us THAT FAR off. About ten minutes. BUT, there are other things that we want to do first. LMAO. Wait for it.
You think you and your star have it all locked down. Not so fast.
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Wednesday, November 19, 2008
ooh not the email death threats again
you bought it. YOU have that fucking derelict roll up out of his house to watch CHIILDREN and follow me around. No one bothered you or anything else. Yall smokin too much crack or something.
He's GOING ON YOUTUBE. And it's going to stop. And if it doesn't we'll just keep going up the foodchain and we all know where that ends.
Meantime, back at the ranch .. you think surrounding him is going to do you any good?
oh my god. THe gang chatter is deafening. RIght through one delicate ear and out the other.
You wanted this. YOu've ached for it.
And also ... BEAUMONT??? Look a little farther down beaumont. THere's another man they're murdering in his home. Lives by himself same side of the street. Must have taken them so forever with him that they finally diagnosed him with cancer and let the chemo begin. Poor old thing. Anyway the sales around there are more obvious on the cop's street.
OH I forgot to mention. Beaumont and Carrington working the hood together.
GO on get in your car. Drive by. See for yourself.
Another millionaire cop over there on carrington.
I have almost as much video of HIM stalking me as I do of beaumont.
Don't know WHY this could be.
Back hte fuck up off me.
There wasn't none and you brought some. You're ignorant. There can be no other excuse for this.
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He's GOING ON YOUTUBE. And it's going to stop. And if it doesn't we'll just keep going up the foodchain and we all know where that ends.
Meantime, back at the ranch .. you think surrounding him is going to do you any good?
oh my god. THe gang chatter is deafening. RIght through one delicate ear and out the other.
You wanted this. YOu've ached for it.
And also ... BEAUMONT??? Look a little farther down beaumont. THere's another man they're murdering in his home. Lives by himself same side of the street. Must have taken them so forever with him that they finally diagnosed him with cancer and let the chemo begin. Poor old thing. Anyway the sales around there are more obvious on the cop's street.
OH I forgot to mention. Beaumont and Carrington working the hood together.
GO on get in your car. Drive by. See for yourself.
Another millionaire cop over there on carrington.
I have almost as much video of HIM stalking me as I do of beaumont.
Don't know WHY this could be.
Back hte fuck up off me.
There wasn't none and you brought some. You're ignorant. There can be no other excuse for this.
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Tuesday, November 18, 2008
Letting Air out of Tires LIFE ENDANGERING
hey you mean bitch and that loser boyfriend of yours. Guess what?? I HAVE A WITNESS. I went back by the previous place and a guy was STILL sitting there. Thought you two were playing a joke on me because you were laughing.... Anyway seems it's even worse with children in the car. It really doesn't matter where my car is from now on. I'm pretty sure THAT SAME GUY is going to witness you doing things to it. I thought we had this established so you two dumbasses must be fresh imports.
Please read on (though I know it's a struggle) to where the intelligent person hops in.
Friday, May 09, 2008
So I was letting the air out of a tire of a car stopped at a red light...
I asked a half dozen or so NYPD about my bit of street justice. Get this: not one of them could think of any crime I committed! A few other items of note: 1) If I were on private property, they could definitely get me for something. But I wasn't.2) They too mentioned that I may have made the situation more dangerous. I'm not convinced I did, nor that that this makes my actions wrong.3) A retired cop said he would get me for petty larceny if I took the valve cap. But I didn't. I pointed out I did in fact litter. But next time I could put the valve cap back on. And I could have been cited for not having a bell on my bike, but I didn't tell him this.4) One officer said he would cite me for harassment. But he admitted this would be a bullshit charge that wouldn't stick. But as this is the only concrete criminal charge that anybody could come up with, I looked it up. I might have been guilty of "harassment in the second degree," a violation. Like littering. A non-arrestable offense if not committed in an officer’s presence. If you "repeat" the behavior (like doing two tires, I suppose), it goes up to "harrassment in the first degree," a misdemeanor. Here's the violation of harassment in the second degree:
A person is guilty... when, with intent to harass, annoy or alarm another person... He or she engages in a course of conduct... which alarm or seriously annoy such other person and which serve no legitimate purpose. I, of course, plead my conduct was legitimate. But a judge might not agree. A still have a feeling that there's something on the books that I violated. But nothing that anybody can think of.So while I'm not saying it's legal or good to let the air out of a car tire while the car is stopped at a red light. And I'm not saying it would be worth a night in jail on some B.S. charge. But I still think I did the right thing. And I'm just sayin' it doesn't seem to be illegal. I'm just sayin'...
Posted by PCM at 5/09/2008
Labels: city biking
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Anonymous said...
I'm loving that you wanted to do something more than just complain about someone who was so obviously creating a serious public danger. Like some of the other people who've commented here, though, I'm horrified at the thought of you tampering with this woman's car WHILE SHE WAS DRIVING IT! It is most certainly illegal--I can't imagine what the NYPD folks you spoke to were thinking. You were attempting to disable her vehicle. WHILE SHE WAS DRIVING IT! Having read your blog for a while, I am astonished that you don't realize the seriousness of your actions. Since you asked, the difference between what you did and taking the keys away from a drunk person is that you didn't keep her from operating her vehicle in a dangerous manner. You actually made it far more dangerous for her to do so.
5:34 PM
PCM said...
You would think it would be illegal. But apparently it isn't.
5:55 PM
Anonymous said...
Yes, it is illegal. One could easily be cited for criminal mischief, criminal tampering, reckless endangerment, and reckless endangerment of property. These are serious infractions. And it's made even more serious (than, for example, slashing the tires or breaking the tail lights of a parked car) because this is an action being performed with the intent of disabling a vehicle while a person is operating the vehicle.This action was clearly intended to cause damage to the driver's car, inconvenience or even harm the driver, and shows reckless disregard for the safety of third parties.
10:56 AM
PCM said...
I simply don't believe a flat tire is that endangering. But you may have me on "criminal tampering in the third degree." The other offenses involves monetary damage, so they don't apply. But I sense your offense regarding what I did is based more on the morality of my actions (I did the wrong thing) than criminal wrong doing.What if I had succeeded in disabling her (lets not forget) already dangerous car? Leaving aside the criminal act of slashing all four tires, would *that* have been morally correct?
2:09 PM
Anonymous said...
I wasn't meaning to talk about moral correctness. But yes, I think disabling a vehicle while it is being driven is morally reprehensible as well. (Perhaps more so than legally!)As to monetary damage, if she needed to replace her tire or her rims then those codes apply. If she lost control of her car to a further degree as a result of your actions and damaged the vehicle or other property, then we're talking even more monetary damage, or even assault charges. (If she died, or killed someone else, then we're talking manslaughter.)Here's the point-- you don't need to "believe" that a flat tire is endangering in order for your actions to be criminal. Nor do your actions have to actually result in damage. You admitted that you wished to disable her car (and even mused that it was unfortunate that you didn't). That is a criminal act.I can't decide whether my alarm is more over your moral or legal effrontery, since in this case I think the law adequately and appropriately mirrors my morality. But I think I'm more alarmed that you not only see no problem with what you did, but you seem to want to be applauded for it. Considering it further... you have a posting here about the NY Times article about cyclists spraying "no car" stencils on bike lanes. Certainly, it's illegal. (I assume the graffiti code would cover it.) And yet I wasn't horrified at the idea of folks doing this. Though it is criminal, it shows especial concern for the safety of others, rather than reckless disregard.So, perhaps it is at the core a moral issue for me. Your celebratory attitude toward the act was what first disturbed me. It seems trite to say, but what if you really had disabled her vehicle? What if, as she attempted to drive what she didn't realize was a functionally-compromised car, she had caused damage to it? Or worse, to herself or someone else? I'm astonished that you don't see that as a possible outcome of your tampering.We're debating vigilantism here, I guess. I believe you exacerbated an already dangerous situation, and you have neither the imperative nor the right to do that. There's civil disobedience and there's community activism, and then there's taking the law into your own hands. I'm scared of your bravado!
2:35 PM
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Please read on (though I know it's a struggle) to where the intelligent person hops in.
Friday, May 09, 2008
So I was letting the air out of a tire of a car stopped at a red light...
I asked a half dozen or so NYPD about my bit of street justice. Get this: not one of them could think of any crime I committed! A few other items of note: 1) If I were on private property, they could definitely get me for something. But I wasn't.2) They too mentioned that I may have made the situation more dangerous. I'm not convinced I did, nor that that this makes my actions wrong.3) A retired cop said he would get me for petty larceny if I took the valve cap. But I didn't. I pointed out I did in fact litter. But next time I could put the valve cap back on. And I could have been cited for not having a bell on my bike, but I didn't tell him this.4) One officer said he would cite me for harassment. But he admitted this would be a bullshit charge that wouldn't stick. But as this is the only concrete criminal charge that anybody could come up with, I looked it up. I might have been guilty of "harassment in the second degree," a violation. Like littering. A non-arrestable offense if not committed in an officer’s presence. If you "repeat" the behavior (like doing two tires, I suppose), it goes up to "harrassment in the first degree," a misdemeanor. Here's the violation of harassment in the second degree:
A person is guilty... when, with intent to harass, annoy or alarm another person... He or she engages in a course of conduct... which alarm or seriously annoy such other person and which serve no legitimate purpose. I, of course, plead my conduct was legitimate. But a judge might not agree. A still have a feeling that there's something on the books that I violated. But nothing that anybody can think of.So while I'm not saying it's legal or good to let the air out of a car tire while the car is stopped at a red light. And I'm not saying it would be worth a night in jail on some B.S. charge. But I still think I did the right thing. And I'm just sayin' it doesn't seem to be illegal. I'm just sayin'...
Posted by PCM at 5/09/2008
Labels: city biking
5 comments:
Anonymous said...
I'm loving that you wanted to do something more than just complain about someone who was so obviously creating a serious public danger. Like some of the other people who've commented here, though, I'm horrified at the thought of you tampering with this woman's car WHILE SHE WAS DRIVING IT! It is most certainly illegal--I can't imagine what the NYPD folks you spoke to were thinking. You were attempting to disable her vehicle. WHILE SHE WAS DRIVING IT! Having read your blog for a while, I am astonished that you don't realize the seriousness of your actions. Since you asked, the difference between what you did and taking the keys away from a drunk person is that you didn't keep her from operating her vehicle in a dangerous manner. You actually made it far more dangerous for her to do so.
5:34 PM
PCM said...
You would think it would be illegal. But apparently it isn't.
5:55 PM
Anonymous said...
Yes, it is illegal. One could easily be cited for criminal mischief, criminal tampering, reckless endangerment, and reckless endangerment of property. These are serious infractions. And it's made even more serious (than, for example, slashing the tires or breaking the tail lights of a parked car) because this is an action being performed with the intent of disabling a vehicle while a person is operating the vehicle.This action was clearly intended to cause damage to the driver's car, inconvenience or even harm the driver, and shows reckless disregard for the safety of third parties.
10:56 AM
PCM said...
I simply don't believe a flat tire is that endangering. But you may have me on "criminal tampering in the third degree." The other offenses involves monetary damage, so they don't apply. But I sense your offense regarding what I did is based more on the morality of my actions (I did the wrong thing) than criminal wrong doing.What if I had succeeded in disabling her (lets not forget) already dangerous car? Leaving aside the criminal act of slashing all four tires, would *that* have been morally correct?
2:09 PM
Anonymous said...
I wasn't meaning to talk about moral correctness. But yes, I think disabling a vehicle while it is being driven is morally reprehensible as well. (Perhaps more so than legally!)As to monetary damage, if she needed to replace her tire or her rims then those codes apply. If she lost control of her car to a further degree as a result of your actions and damaged the vehicle or other property, then we're talking even more monetary damage, or even assault charges. (If she died, or killed someone else, then we're talking manslaughter.)Here's the point-- you don't need to "believe" that a flat tire is endangering in order for your actions to be criminal. Nor do your actions have to actually result in damage. You admitted that you wished to disable her car (and even mused that it was unfortunate that you didn't). That is a criminal act.I can't decide whether my alarm is more over your moral or legal effrontery, since in this case I think the law adequately and appropriately mirrors my morality. But I think I'm more alarmed that you not only see no problem with what you did, but you seem to want to be applauded for it. Considering it further... you have a posting here about the NY Times article about cyclists spraying "no car" stencils on bike lanes. Certainly, it's illegal. (I assume the graffiti code would cover it.) And yet I wasn't horrified at the idea of folks doing this. Though it is criminal, it shows especial concern for the safety of others, rather than reckless disregard.So, perhaps it is at the core a moral issue for me. Your celebratory attitude toward the act was what first disturbed me. It seems trite to say, but what if you really had disabled her vehicle? What if, as she attempted to drive what she didn't realize was a functionally-compromised car, she had caused damage to it? Or worse, to herself or someone else? I'm astonished that you don't see that as a possible outcome of your tampering.We're debating vigilantism here, I guess. I believe you exacerbated an already dangerous situation, and you have neither the imperative nor the right to do that. There's civil disobedience and there's community activism, and then there's taking the law into your own hands. I'm scared of your bravado!
2:35 PM
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What I said Beaumont Street
UPDATE: it's 3309 beaumont street as I originally thought. I checked. Can you imagine someone stupid enough to stalk you SO MUCH that you know where they LIVE??????????????????
Was that: "It's been a LONG TIME no see ... I guess you FOUND YOUR BALLS AGAIN."
Anyway so you can tell those other little amateur stalkers ... K109sf taht while I prob. didn't get a good pic of them for youtube it's awesome that I've got their info and yknow .... what total dumbasses. Honey if I was going to spread my legs I'd be doing it for A LOT more than what YOU are. Course you probably just borrowed that car so we could seem alike. LOL.
Cause I'm pretty sure I have an independent witness that saw what you did to my car before you followed me down the street. Imagine all that on the grocery video. YOu running around looking for me and all.
What a loser your boyfriend is. MY GOD. Seriously. KInda cute but has LOSER written all over him. While you are pretty in that 'i'm a nasty bitch way' so use it while you got it because yknow pretty like that doesn't last very long at all. It's barely even on the skin and inside you are one ugly fuckin slut unless you change your ways.
ANYWAY, I'm sorry I was distracted from your dance but I wanted to get especially good video of beaumont street so that I could youtube his ass into infamy.
Tell your fat friend that I admire his ummmmmmm devotion but I said gatorade on purpose... LMAO.
He totally thinks he's a player. Please, when's the last time that ANY of yall got fucked or blown by anything but a fuckin crack whore or some stupid bitch that would stay with a man that's only a slim memory of a man.
Hit close to home with the sad death of miss faulk, didn't I?? YOU are SLOPPY MURDEROUS MOTHERFUCKERS and it's really realllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllly smart that you show up again right on top of that.
So FUCK YOU. Ya had your chance to just slither the fuck back under your four rocks each.
Now we gonna go down and dirty because the next time one of you motherfuckers tries to kill me in that gym (LMAO YOU STUPID FUCKS) I've got something to put so far up your ass you can just add wheels and roll around from now on.
Seriously, I see you and I see your lives. You are miserable bastards.. YOu wonder why your kids hate you and are in bad shape.
MOTHERFUCKER THEY NEED A GODDMAN FATHER NOT A MURDERER>
It's that simple.
And, enjoy your youtube you pussy sonofabitching mudering motherfucker. YOU SO EARNED IT OVER THE PAST THREE YEARS>
Betya thought I wouldn't yank that camera out in front of anyone else but you THOUGHT WRONG.
OR DO YOU THINK???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
I'd put your tag here but believe it or not I don't have it memorized.
You goddamn idiot. YOU DO REALIZE that out of all the stupid motherfuckrs following me around that YOU are the one who is on video the MOST???
NOT ONLY THAT I HAVE THE VIDEO OF YOU ACCOSTING MY CHILD AND I AT THE LIBRARY.
In fact, I am beginning to think that you're not just a murderer you are fucking DANGEROUS.
You need to be THE FUCK up off the streets.
You need to be in prison.
WHY NOT JUST WALK FUCKING AWAY??????
WHY NOT JUST STAY OUT OF FUCKING PRISON????
They probably don't even make a fucking uniform your size.
DO those people you do business with realize how fucking stupid you act and how much you are RISKING???????????????????
TO FOLLOW ME AROUND???
TO LET THE AIR OUT OF MY TIRES AND DANCE IN FRONT OF ME????????????????
you are some class a stupid ass motherfucking idiots.
And you deserve whatever you end up with.
Here's Beaumont Street.
Any of YOUR kin????? KInda smells like it.
Another one .... this one EVEN MORE.
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Was that: "It's been a LONG TIME no see ... I guess you FOUND YOUR BALLS AGAIN."
Anyway so you can tell those other little amateur stalkers ... K109sf taht while I prob. didn't get a good pic of them for youtube it's awesome that I've got their info and yknow .... what total dumbasses. Honey if I was going to spread my legs I'd be doing it for A LOT more than what YOU are. Course you probably just borrowed that car so we could seem alike. LOL.
Cause I'm pretty sure I have an independent witness that saw what you did to my car before you followed me down the street. Imagine all that on the grocery video. YOu running around looking for me and all.
What a loser your boyfriend is. MY GOD. Seriously. KInda cute but has LOSER written all over him. While you are pretty in that 'i'm a nasty bitch way' so use it while you got it because yknow pretty like that doesn't last very long at all. It's barely even on the skin and inside you are one ugly fuckin slut unless you change your ways.
ANYWAY, I'm sorry I was distracted from your dance but I wanted to get especially good video of beaumont street so that I could youtube his ass into infamy.
Tell your fat friend that I admire his ummmmmmm devotion but I said gatorade on purpose... LMAO.
He totally thinks he's a player. Please, when's the last time that ANY of yall got fucked or blown by anything but a fuckin crack whore or some stupid bitch that would stay with a man that's only a slim memory of a man.
Hit close to home with the sad death of miss faulk, didn't I?? YOU are SLOPPY MURDEROUS MOTHERFUCKERS and it's really realllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllly smart that you show up again right on top of that.
So FUCK YOU. Ya had your chance to just slither the fuck back under your four rocks each.
Now we gonna go down and dirty because the next time one of you motherfuckers tries to kill me in that gym (LMAO YOU STUPID FUCKS) I've got something to put so far up your ass you can just add wheels and roll around from now on.
Seriously, I see you and I see your lives. You are miserable bastards.. YOu wonder why your kids hate you and are in bad shape.
MOTHERFUCKER THEY NEED A GODDMAN FATHER NOT A MURDERER>
It's that simple.
And, enjoy your youtube you pussy sonofabitching mudering motherfucker. YOU SO EARNED IT OVER THE PAST THREE YEARS>
Betya thought I wouldn't yank that camera out in front of anyone else but you THOUGHT WRONG.
OR DO YOU THINK???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
I'd put your tag here but believe it or not I don't have it memorized.
You goddamn idiot. YOU DO REALIZE that out of all the stupid motherfuckrs following me around that YOU are the one who is on video the MOST???
NOT ONLY THAT I HAVE THE VIDEO OF YOU ACCOSTING MY CHILD AND I AT THE LIBRARY.
In fact, I am beginning to think that you're not just a murderer you are fucking DANGEROUS.
You need to be THE FUCK up off the streets.
You need to be in prison.
WHY NOT JUST WALK FUCKING AWAY??????
WHY NOT JUST STAY OUT OF FUCKING PRISON????
They probably don't even make a fucking uniform your size.
DO those people you do business with realize how fucking stupid you act and how much you are RISKING???????????????????
TO FOLLOW ME AROUND???
TO LET THE AIR OUT OF MY TIRES AND DANCE IN FRONT OF ME????????????????
you are some class a stupid ass motherfucking idiots.
And you deserve whatever you end up with.
Here's Beaumont Street.
Any of YOUR kin????? KInda smells like it.
Another one .... this one EVEN MORE.
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